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Where is heaven?

Identifier

004630

Type of Spiritual Experience

Background

Was it grandpa or just the Boy's spirit helper [who may have been a living english speaking soul] using grandpa's template - an interesting thought this.  If you look at observation 004631 there is proof that other communication came from a living english speaking spirit helper.  Grandpa may not have been grandpa at all.

This aside, clearly the implication is that after death we can get caught up in the loom and manufacture our own environment until such time as we are reincarnated.

True spirits communicate in symbols.  Bodied souls and disembodied souls communicate in language.

 

A description of the experience

The Boy who saw True - Aug. 12th

Grandpa turned up to-day after tea, and when I told the [Patmores] he was in the room they seemed very pleased and wanted to know what he had to say, so I repeated out loud what he said …. Mr. P. wanted to know if he could ask some questions. And Grandpa said, " I am at your service." So Mr. P. thought he would get pencil and paper and put down what Grandpa said as I repeated it.

First he wanted to know what we looked like to grandpa, and grandpa said we looked just like ghosts. And Mr. P. thought that very funny because we are supposed to be solid. ………Grandpa said the spirits were like smoke and we were like water and they could go right through us and see right through us, because our parts (particles) are really quite far apart, though we don't know it. Grandpa said a lot more but I can't remember it by heart. He said he'd come again to-morrow and tell us some other things if we liked. 

Aug. 13th

………… Grandpa came again after tea and stayed so long that it's now my bedtime and I can't write down what he said, so will have to do it by and bye.

Aug 16th

I wish grandpa didn't have to use such long words sometimes, because I can't remember them properly when I want to write them down, which is a blithering nuisance.  I asked him why grandmamma never came to see us too?  And he said something about spirits getting thought-bound like birds getting egg-bound, and made us all laugh because it seemed such a funny thing to say. He told us that while the grandmater was still on earth, she reckoned,  same as a lot of people do, that she and a few others who thought exactly like she did, were the only people what were going to be saved.

" And now," said grandpa, " She lives ln a world of thoughts which she and others have created by their own fallacious convictions. In our Father's house are many mansions."

I got this out of Mr. P. who had written it down. And he has helped me with the next bit too. When we asked Grandpa what about him? He said, though he (had) believed in God and all that, he'd never made up his mind too much what the other world was going to be like, so now he didn't spend his life singing hymns round an imaginary throne of God like grandma does. Grandpa doesn't mind saying naughty things. He told us grandma had been an obstinate old woman, and she was still obstinate now, and nothing he could say was going to change her (outlook) until she got sick of it and began looking round for something better. He told us it was a great mistake to have preconceived notions like my late lamented grandmother; but seeing as I didn't quite know what he meant, I asked Mr. Patmore, who says it's if people are too cock sure of a thing when they've nothing proper to go on.  I’m tired now and want to leave off.

The source of the experience

The Boy who saw True

Concepts, symbols and science items

Symbols

Loom
Smoke
Water

Science Items

Activities and commonsteps

Commonsteps

References