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Gelder Kunz, Dora van - Diagnoses Paget's disease



Type of Spiritual Experience


A description of the experience

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One of the early cases was a patient with paget's disease. Neither Diane nor myself knew anything about the patient's condition at the time we made the observations- I simply selected one of the patients sitting in the waiting room a little over twelve feet away from us.

Diane's report on the patient, as was customary included a description of the general energy body, the vortices of force and then the actual physical condition. Diane often gives her descriptions in terms of color along  with the other descriptions I have mentioned. As she looked at the energy body of the patient, she noted that the vortex of energy located at the throat showed a gray colour with red specks. She described these cones of energy as moving at different rhythms with an irregular slowing down and speeding up. In the normar person, Diane sees these spiral cones of energy at the throat vortex as blue-grey in color and all moving at the same steady rhythm. In the patient under observation, Diane described the center of this vortex of energy as being a dull gray and showing an irregular slow and fast beat.

When she observed the physical body of the patient she said that the thyroid appeared "dead looking." Quite a bit of it was not there. The energy of the parathyroids was "flickering", and she was sure the person had a disease of the parathyroids. The trouble was more on the right side than on the left. When she looked at the patient's head, the skull on the right side, which I identified as the parietal region, appeared thinned out. The same characteristic showed to a less extent at the back of the head. As she looked at the rest of the body, the bones of the legs and spine looked "crummy" to her. She explained that normal bones look harder and thicker. She came back to the right side of the head, somewhat puzzled to explain what she saw. She said, "Not enough bone is present. It does not seem to be complete. It is thinner and granular."

She found the liver slow in function and the adrenals were working too fast. The right kidney was hardly functioning at all and had the same "crummy stuff" in it. She described the left kidney as functioning only fairly well, and it seemed to have some kind of "soft stones" in it. She saw the same "crummy stuff" in the wall of the gut, and she said that the intestines were slow in their function.

The medical report on this patient gave Paget's disease as the clinical diagnosis. X-rays showed thinness of the skull on the right side in the parietal region and at the back of the head. Part of the thyroid had been removed and the right parathyroid. The left parathyroid was still present. The right kidney was hardly functioning at all, the X-rays indicated what appeared to be stones in the left kidney. There was a mass the size of a fist in the colon.  The patient complained of general weakness and pain in the bones of the spine ad the legs.

Diane's observations, although they were in a layman's language correlated  very accurately with the medical diagnosis

The source of the experience

Gelder Kunz, Dora van

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Thyroid disease


Inherited genes