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Thelmar, E – 14 The people were worshipping me as the Madonna and our (as yet unborn) spirit-child as the coming Saviour of the world



Type of Spiritual Experience


Number of hallucinations: 1


A description of the experience

The Maniac – A Realistic Study of Madness from the Maniac’s Point of View – E Thelmar

All this time the Adoration Service went on. The people were worshipping me as the Madonna, Ray Hall as the Holy Ghost, and our (as yet unborn) spirit-child as the coming Saviour of the world. They meant to prevent this spirit-child from being born with a human body. They said on no account were they going to allow Ray Hall and me ever to meet on earth, or to allow our spirit-child to have any human body. To allow that would be to put an end to the New Dispensation.

I began to get into a state of the greatest anxiety about my spirit-child. I was dreadfully afraid that it would be born without any body to use on the earth, and that these people meant to take it from me as soon as it was born, to be their Saviour, to start their "New Dispensation."

I said to Ray Hall, "You hear what those people say? They mean to try and steal our child, and to prevent its being born with any proper body. They want it to be a spirit-child. Well, I just refuse to have a spirit-child. What is the use of having a spirit-child that no one will be able to see? And why should our child not be allowed its own human body? Do not let us let these people injure our child as they are trying to do."

Ray Hall never spoke a word. AII this time that I had believed him to be there beside me, he had never uttered one word. He seemed to be laughing with me when I laughed; and to be agreeing with all that I said, but he himself had said nothing.

The source of the experience

Thelmar, E

Concepts, symbols and science items



Science Items

Activities and commonsteps



Loneliness and isolation


Manic depression