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The Ceasing of Notions [or the Treatise on the Transcendence of Cognition]

34.  Emmon asks ‘As for the principle of ultimate emptiness, how can it be proven and verified?'

Master Nyuri : ’Seek it in all forms, confirm it in your own words'

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35. Emmon asks ‘How does one seek it in all forms and confirm it in one's own words ?'

Master Nyuri : ’Emptiness and forms are one.  Words and confirmation are not two'.

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36. Emmon asks ‘If all existing things are empty, why can only buddhas see this and not ordinary people ?'

Master Nyuri : 'It is obscured by the working of error, but becomes clear in the stillness of the truth'

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37. Emmon asks ‘If all forms are really empty, how can they get perfumed?  Conversely, if they do get perfumed, how can they be empty?  Or realise emptiness  ?'

Master Nyuri : 'Speaking of what is false at once gives rise to ordinary delusion and its workings.  In true emptiness there is nothing that can attract perfumes'.

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38. Emmon asks ‘If all forms are really empty, then surely there is no need to train in the Way  ?'

Master Nyuri : 'Once the principle of emptiness is realised there is no need for training'.